{"id":47149,"date":"2022-11-01T16:22:07","date_gmt":"2022-11-01T20:22:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/?p=47149"},"modified":"2022-11-02T09:13:47","modified_gmt":"2022-11-02T13:13:47","slug":"ethics-regarding-the-use-of-punishment-amongst-other-things-session-205-with-matt-brodhead","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/be_obs\/ethics-regarding-the-use-of-punishment-amongst-other-things-session-205-with-matt-brodhead","title":{"rendered":"Ethics Regarding the Use of Punishment, Amongst Other Things: Session 205 with Matt Brodhead"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><strong>Listen on: <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/ethics-regarding-the-use-of-punishment-amongst\/id1086413253?i=1000584699379\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/2pD6RSsS5WnGF9g7iXRPcg?si=HFYkR_wfRKWl7fnPk2gfpw\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cHM6Ly9iZWhhdmlvcmFsb2JzZXJ2YXRpb25zLmxpYnN5bi5jb20vcnNz\/episode\/YTdkNTlmZjUtMzBkYy00MWFhLTk4MDYtMmM0YzZhZWQ5NThk?sa=X&amp;ved=0CAQQ8qgGahcKEwiY1sDj4437AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ\">Google Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/hM0gt8lhi-E\">YouTube<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none;\" title=\"Embed Player\" src=\"https:\/\/play.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/24873075\/height\/128\/theme\/modern\/size\/standard\/thumbnail\/yes\/custom-color\/334054\/time-start\/00:00:00\/playlist-height\/200\/direction\/backward\/download\/yes\" width=\"100%\" height=\"128\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n<p>After a long hiatus, Dr. Matt Brodhead returns to Behavioral Observations. In this episode, we discuss the use of punishment in the context of creating effective, ethical behavioral interventions.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Of course, pursuant to the Behavior Analysis Certification Board's <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bacb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/01\/Ethics-Code-for-Behavior-Analysts-220316-2.pdf\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Ethics Code for Behavior Analysts<\/a>, punishment should only be considered, \"only after demonstrating that desired results have not been obtained using less intrusive means, or when it is determined by an existing intervention team that the risk of harm to the client outweighs the risk associated with the behavior-change intervention\" (Code Element 2.15, page 12).&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So Matt and I talked about what this means in practice, the role of coercive or aversive events in everyday life, weighing the pros and cons of treatment choices, and much more.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As we state in the first few minutes of the show, we made the editorial decision not to discuss the ABAI Task Force report on <a href=\"https:\/\/abainternational.org\/about-us\/organizational-chart\/cess-task-force.aspx#position\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Contingent Electric Skin Shock<\/a>. It's not that we don't have opinions on this topic; rest assured, we certainly do. But we felt like it would be more helpful for practitioners to hear Matt's thoughts on things like response cost, time-out, and so forth, as these are procedures that are more likely to be used by \"everyday\" practitioners.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n<p>We also meandered into a few other topics, like the necessity of teaching cooperation and compliance under certain stimulus conditions, the utility or role of descriptive assessments vs. analog functional analyses, as well as other digressions.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On a stylistic note, because Matt and I have gotten to know each other pretty well, this is an even more conversational episode that usual (versus one that is a series of questions and answers), with the attendant joking around that we usually engage in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you're interested in Matt's work, go over to his website, <a href=\"https:\/\/betteraba.com\/product\/a-workbook-in-behavioral-systems-analysis-and-ethical-behavior\/\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">betteraba.com<\/a>, and pick up a copy of his excellent workbook, <a href=\"https:\/\/betteraba.com\/product\/a-workbook-in-behavioral-systems-analysis-and-ethical-behavior\/\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Behavioral Systems Analysis and Ethical Behavior<\/em><\/a>. It's a bargain at $25 bucks... and remember, the holidays are right around the corner \ud83d\ude09 Matt is also available for workshops and consultations, and you can reach him through the same <a href=\"https:\/\/betteraba.com\/\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">website<\/a>.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And while I'm plugging Matt's stuff, the popular text book he co-authored with Drs. David Cox and Shawn Quigley, is out in its <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3UgFHy1\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">second edition<\/a> (disclosure: Amazon Associates Link).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Other resources we discussed:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a href=\"https:\/\/psyarxiv.com\/uvz2e\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Brodhead and Oteto (2022)<\/a>: Ethics and Ethical Problem Solving.&nbsp;<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.taylorfrancis.com\/books\/edit\/10.4324\/9781003190707\/understanding-ethics-applied-behavior-analysis-ann-beirne-jacob-sadavoy\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Thomas and Brodhead (2022)<\/a>: Bringing Challenge to Coercion and the Status Quo.&nbsp;<\/li><li>Matt's <a href=\"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/?s=matt+brodhead\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">earlier appearances<\/a> on the BOP.&nbsp;<\/li><li>Musical references: \"<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=YCoQnS-_zqE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">I Love this Bar<\/a>\" and \"<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=5aAbOgdbTbM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Check Yo Self<\/a>\"<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/onlinelibrary.wiley.com\/doi\/abs\/10.1901\/jaba.2005.6-04\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Hanley et al. (2005)<\/a>. On the Effectiveness of and Preference for Punishment and Extinction-Based Components of Function-Based Interventions.&nbsp;<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/23326630\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Hanley (2012)<\/a>: Functional assessment of problem behavior: dispelling myths, overcoming implementation obstacles, and developing new lore.<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Congenital_insensitivity_to_pain\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Congenital Insensitivity to Pain<\/a>.<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/22478391\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Perone (2003)<\/a>: The Negative Effects of Positive Reinforcement.<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/peterattiamd.com\/the-importance-of-red-teams\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Importance of Red Teams<\/a>, Peter Attia, MD.<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.jstor.org\/stable\/27758829#references_tab_contents\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Michael (1975)<\/a>: Positive and Negative Reinforcement, a Distinction That Is No Longer Necessary; Or a Better Way to Talk about Bad Things.<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/onlinelibrary.wiley.com\/doi\/10.1111\/bioe.12964\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">MacKenzie (2021)<\/a>: Caring by Lying.&nbsp;<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/8682738\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Fisher et al. (1996)<\/a>: On the reinforcing effects of the content of verbal attention.&nbsp;<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nm.org\/conditions-and-care-areas\/treatments\/comprehensive-behavioral-intervention-for-tics-cbit\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">CBIT<\/a> for Tic Disorders.<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/inside-jaba-series-3-session-115-accumulated-versus-distributed-reinforcement-with-iser-deleon\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Inside JABA #3<\/a> with Iser DeLeon on Accumulated vs. Distributed Reinforcement.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>This podcast is brought to you with the generous support of:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/behavioruniversity.com\/observations\">Behavior University<\/a>.<\/strong>&nbsp;Their mission is to provide university quality professional development for the busy Behavior Analyst. 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