{"id":47710,"date":"2023-09-14T15:14:09","date_gmt":"2023-09-14T19:14:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/?p=47710"},"modified":"2023-09-21T12:12:55","modified_gmt":"2023-09-21T16:12:55","slug":"eye-contact-joint-attention-and-autism-session-238-with-francesca-degli-espinosa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/be_obs\/eye-contact-joint-attention-and-autism-session-238-with-francesca-degli-espinosa","title":{"rendered":"Eye Contact, Joint Attention, and Autism: Session 238 with Francesca Degli Espinosa"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Embed Player\" src=\"https:\/\/play.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/28034406\/height\/128\/theme\/modern\/size\/standard\/thumbnail\/yes\/custom-color\/334054\/time-start\/00:00:00\/playlist-height\/200\/direction\/backward\/download\/yes\" height=\"128\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"\" webkitallowfullscreen=\"true\" mozallowfullscreen=\"true\" oallowfullscreen=\"true\" msallowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border: none;\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n<p>Listen on: <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eye-contact-joint-attention-and-autism-session-238\/id1086413253?i=1000627906193\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eye-contact-joint-attention-and-autism-session-238\/id1086413253?i=1000627906193\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/1j5FydsB11BJ3mt63INVxA?si=MfvgH59eSjeqifNT8vmgNQ\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/1j5FydsB11BJ3mt63INVxA?si=MfvgH59eSjeqifNT8vmgNQ\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cHM6Ly9iZWhhdmlvcmFsb2JzZXJ2YXRpb25zLmxpYnN5bi5jb20vcnNz\/episode\/YmVkYTUyNjQtYWI5Mi00YWViLTkzOGUtZmVhZDQ4N2FlNWY3?sa=X&amp;ved=0CAQQ8qgGahcKEwioyqK756qBAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cHM6Ly9iZWhhdmlvcmFsb2JzZXJ2YXRpb25zLmxpYnN5bi5jb20vcnNz\/episode\/YmVkYTUyNjQtYWI5Mi00YWViLTkzOGUtZmVhZDQ4N2FlNWY3?sa=X&amp;ved=0CAQQ8qgGahcKEwioyqK756qBAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ\">Google Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=34yPtiY9v00\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=34yPtiY9v00\">YouTube<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What exactly is Joint Attention? How does Joint Attention interact with Eye Contact? What does the literature say about these repertoires, and how does that coincide with self-reports of the aversive nature of eye contact from Autistic people?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>These have been a few of the questions rolling around in my head for some time. A few years ago, we briefly touched on this subject with my guest today, Dr. Francesca Degli Espinosa, but it was in the backdrop of a larger panel discussion at the 2022 Verbal Behavior Conference.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Fast forward to 2023, I recently heard Francesca on Dr. Mary Barbera's show talk about Joint Attention in great detail, so I asked her to join me to extend the conversation.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this show, we cover:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>What people mean when they use the term Joint Attention<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>How JA typically develops in infancy and beyond<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Why 'attention' may not be an especially helpful term<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some of the neuroscience and eye tracking studies that have examined the development of eye contact in typically developing and Autistic populations<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>How to increase the value of looking at peoples' faces<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Why eye contact should be thought of as a reinforcing consequence&nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some strategies to foster JA in the context of learner assent<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The difficulty of integrating the findings of different literatures that publish research in the area of Autism<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>What she's talking about at this year's <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lrcss.com\/stone-soup-agenda\">Stone Soup Conference<\/a> (spoiler alert: She's going to go deep into this topic, and remember, save on your registration by using the promo code PODCAST)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The problem associated with teaching eye contact via the 'look at me' method<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Here are some of the links to the many resources we discussed:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/eye-contact-core-vs-fringe-vocab-state-testing-and-other-non-controversial-topics-the-2022-vbc-panel\/\">2022 Verbal Behavior Conference Panel Discussion<\/a>&nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Francesca on <a href=\"https:\/\/marybarbera.com\/joint-attention-eye-contact-francesca-degli-espinosa\/\">Mary Barbera's podcast<\/a>&nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Francesca's available <a href=\"https:\/\/ebic.thinkific.com\/collections?page=1\">online courses<\/a>&nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pmc\/articles\/PMC2755395\/pdf\/behavan00004-0067.pdf\">Dube et al. (2004)<\/a>. Toward a Behavioral Analysis of Joint Attention<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/link.springer.com\/article\/10.1007\/s10864-020-09391-5\">Silva and Fiske (2020)<\/a>. Evaluating the Effects of Establishing Eye Contact on the Skill Acquisition of Individuals with Autism<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/26031923\/\">Nuske et al. (2015)<\/a>. No Evidence of Emotional Dysregulation or Aversion to Mutual Gaze in Preschoolers with Autism Spectrum Disorder: An Eye-Tracking Pupillometry Study<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mikhail.kissine.web.ulb.be\/papers\/Clin2023.pdf\">Clin and Kissine (2023)<\/a>. Neurotypical, but not autistic, adults might experience distress when looking at someone avoiding eye contact: A live face-to-face paradigm<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/scholar?hl=en&amp;as_sdt=0%2C30&amp;q=ami+klin+eye+tracking&amp;oq=ami+klin\">A sample<\/a> of the many eye tracking studies conducted by Dr. Ami Klin and colleagues<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>This podcast is brought to you by:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lrcss.com\/stone-soup\">The Stone Soup Conference<\/a>, which is taking place on October 20<sup>th<\/sup>. Use code PODCAST to save on your registration as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/online.uc.edu\/masters-programs\/med-foundations-in-behavior-analysis\/?dclid=CjkKEQjw3eeXBhC5pvzKxfHnvJEBEiQAm7zILcK3Cu-N9NyvmwaVwVxcEWZBgeOoZGP2jotarYR8YO_w_wcB\">The University of Cincinnati Online<\/a>. 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