{"id":50558,"date":"2026-02-13T17:40:02","date_gmt":"2026-02-13T22:40:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/be_obs\/?p=50558"},"modified":"2026-02-13T17:40:07","modified_gmt":"2026-02-13T22:40:07","slug":"resilience-is-a-skill-raising-capable-kids-in-a-fragile-world-session-324-with-paulie-gavoni-and-steve-ward","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/be_obs\/resilience-is-a-skill-raising-capable-kids-in-a-fragile-world-session-324-with-paulie-gavoni-and-steve-ward","title":{"rendered":"Resilience Is a Skill \u2014 Raising Capable Kids in a Fragile World: Session 324 with Paulie Gavoni and Steve Ward"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Embed Player\" src=\"https:\/\/play.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/40104330\/height\/128\/theme\/modern\/size\/standard\/thumbnail\/yes\/custom-color\/233d61\/time-start\/00:00:00\/playlist-height\/200\/direction\/backward\/download\/yes\/font-color\/FFFFFF\" height=\"128\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"\" webkitallowfullscreen=\"true\" mozallowfullscreen=\"true\" oallowfullscreen=\"true\" msallowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border: none;\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Listen on: <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/resilience-is-a-skill-raising-capable-kids-in\/id1086413253?i=1000749669192\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/resilience-is-a-skill-raising-capable-kids-in\/id1086413253?i=1000749669192\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4ArdVTKZfm1PcG4DgZpHRC?si=UaKwEIBeQGKTcnjauYpCIQ\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4ArdVTKZfm1PcG4DgZpHRC?si=UaKwEIBeQGKTcnjauYpCIQ\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/O6wPePnM4wI?si=kq7s9jXp3_2isFfI\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/O6wPePnM4wI?si=kq7s9jXp3_2isFfI\">YouTube<\/a><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">In Session 324, Dr. Paulie Gavoni and Steve Ward join me to discuss what resilience actually looks like from a behavior science perspective \u2014 and why many well-intentioned adult responses can unintentionally teach avoidance instead of persistence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">We center our conversation around their book, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/S-H-I-T-Happens-Building-Resilient-Children\/dp\/B0GHRNQL6P\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=GTDCUNK5AR9D&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.mbTJXKSLF4fHhHq9JlbrIA.NAj10OnuGIqh3MG2MFrV9GG--jEdi8TmpyMEq71FVpE&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=paul+gavoni+steve+ward&amp;qid=1771010587&amp;sprefix=paul+gavoni+steve+ward%2Caps%2C196&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>S.H.I.T. Happens: Building Resilient Children in a Fragile World<\/em><\/a>, which reframes resilience not as a personality trait or motivational slogan, but as a set of learnable repertoires shaped by the environments adults design<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">We talk about:<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li class=\"\">Why resilience is a behavioral repertoire, not a mindset or personality trait<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">The hidden ways adult anxiety shapes children\u2019s learning environments<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">How overprotection and pressure both undermine skill development<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">Designing \u201csuccessful struggle\u201d so kids contact reinforcement for effort<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">Everyday moments \u2014 homework, sports, emotional setbacks \u2014 as resilience practice<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">The adult\u2019s role as guide, not rescuer or drill sergeant<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">Teaching recovery instead of avoidance<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">Scaling challenges to build confidence and persistence<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">Why discomfort is information, not danger<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">This discussion emphasizes practical decision-making: how small changes in adult behavior can create conditions where children learn to try again, persist longer, and experience the satisfaction of overcoming something difficult.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Whether you\u2019re a practitioner, educator, or parent, this episode highlights how resilience is built through repeated opportunities to struggle safely \u2014 and why those opportunities matter more than we often realize.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Resources mentioned:<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li class=\"\">Paulie and Steve's <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/S-H-I-T-Happens-Building-Resilient-Children\/dp\/B0GHRNQL6P\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=GTDCUNK5AR9D&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.mbTJXKSLF4fHhHq9JlbrIA.NAj10OnuGIqh3MG2MFrV9GG--jEdi8TmpyMEq71FVpE&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=paul+gavoni+steve+ward&amp;qid=1771010587&amp;sprefix=paul+gavoni+steve+ward%2Caps%2C196&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">book<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/pulse\/assent-trauma-informed-care-call-nuance-behavior-gavoni-ed-d-bcba\/?trackingId=mbxOyqrvTsyEJa%2BvlJD%2F1Q%3D%3D\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Assent &amp; Trauma Informed Care: A Call for Nuance in Behavior Analysis<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/thebehavioraltoolbox.com\/courses\/empowering-change-motivational-interviewing-for-behavioral-consultants\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Motivational Interviewing: Getting Educator Buy-In<\/a> (course)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4rsBEiM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Adaptive Intelligence<\/a>: The Evolution of Emotional Intelligence Through the Proven Power of Behavior Science<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">Paulie's <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s?k=paulie+gavoni&amp;crid=LISAJVQT3SHU&amp;sprefix=paulie+gavoni%2Caps%2C182&amp;ref=nb_sb_noss_1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">other books<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/link.springer.com\/article\/10.1007\/s40617-023-00833-w\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Kind Extinction<\/a>: A Procedural Variation on Traditional Extinction<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">The Four Leadership Hats: Applying Behavioral Science to Leadership and Supervision (<a href=\"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/be_obs\/the-four-leadership-hats-applying-behavioral-science-to-leadership-and-supervision-session-321-with-john-guercio\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Session 321 with John Guercio<\/a>)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4aygMzK\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The ACT Matrix<\/a>: A New Approach to Building Psychological Flexibility Across Settings and Population<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/be_obs\/get-ceus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Session 313<\/a>: Client Assent in Behavior Analysis: Balancing Autonomy and Clinical Progress (Ethics CE available)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Sponsor shoutouts<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li class=\"\">The School Behavioral Solutions for Special Educators &amp; Behavior Analysts.&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/behaviorlive.com\/conferences\/Thebxtoolbox\/home\">The Behavior Toolbox Conference<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;is a one-day, high-impact professional convening that brings together experienced practitioners and leaders from across education and behavior science to share what actually works in schools. It\u2019s taking place virtually through BehaviorLive on March 5<sup>th<\/sup>, 2026, and will be available on-demand for those who can\u2019t make it on the day of the event.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/behavioruniversity.com\/observations\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Behavior University<\/strong><\/a><strong>.<\/strong>&nbsp;Their mission is to provide university quality professional development for the busy Behavior Analyst. 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New events are being added all the time, so check them out&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/get-ceus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">here<\/a>.&nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.hricolorado.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">HRIC Recruting<\/a>. Cut out the middleman and speak directly with Barbara Voss, who's been placing BCBAs in great jobs all across the US for 15 years.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Listen on: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube In Session 324, Dr. Paulie Gavoni and Steve Ward join me to discuss what resilience actually looks like from a behavior science perspective \u2014 and why many well-intentioned adult responses can unintentionally teach avoidance instead of persistence. We center our conversation around their book, S.H.I.T. 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