{"id":50562,"date":"2026-02-23T09:32:26","date_gmt":"2026-02-23T14:32:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/be_obs\/?p=50562"},"modified":"2026-02-23T09:44:02","modified_gmt":"2026-02-23T14:44:02","slug":"developing-rapport-and-sustaining-motivation-in-autism-treatment-session-325-with-alice-shillingsburg","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/be_obs\/developing-rapport-and-sustaining-motivation-in-autism-treatment-session-325-with-alice-shillingsburg","title":{"rendered":"Developing Rapport and Sustaining Motivation in Autism Treatment: Session 325 with Alice Shillingsburg"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Embed Player\" src=\"https:\/\/play.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/40198270\/height\/128\/theme\/modern\/size\/standard\/thumbnail\/yes\/custom-color\/233d61\/time-start\/00:00:00\/playlist-height\/200\/direction\/backward\/download\/yes\/font-color\/FFFFFF\" height=\"128\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"\" webkitallowfullscreen=\"true\" mozallowfullscreen=\"true\" oallowfullscreen=\"true\" msallowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border: none;\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Listen on: <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-behavioral-observations-podcast-with-matt-cicoria\/id1086413253\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-behavioral-observations-podcast-with-matt-cicoria\/id1086413253\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4dceh6cUc0Tb42Y84TfVfL?si=6kzZWJLEQiy7HHNuecOnMQ\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4dceh6cUc0Tb42Y84TfVfL?si=6kzZWJLEQiy7HHNuecOnMQ\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/37da4w07w6I?si=-B0Hvrj37UuJML9H\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/37da4w07w6I?si=-B0Hvrj37UuJML9H\">YouTube<\/a><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">In this episode, I talk with Dr. Alice Shillingsburg about her work on rapport building and pairing procedures in applied behavior analysis for children with autism. We explore how building therapeutic rapport goes beyond simply \u201cliking someone,\u201d emphasizing the importance of establishing trust and engagement to facilitate learning, especially when tasks are challenging.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Alice explains the nine-stage pairing protocol she developed and highlights how careful timing, observation, and reinforcement choices can make pairing effective. We discuss the significance of observing children\u2019s approach behaviors to understand their preferences and keep therapy engaging, as well as how instructional fading can gradually increase task difficulty without creating aversive experiences.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">During our conversation, we took a quick sidebar to talk about the upcoming Verbal Behavior Conference. This is a conference like none other. Whether you participate online or make the short drive to Austin, you'll be treated to very in-depth talks about generative learning for individuals with Autism and related disabilities. Learn more and <a href=\"https:\/\/behaviorlive.com\/conferences\/vbc\/home\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/behaviorlive.com\/conferences\/vbc\/home\">register here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">We also dive into practical applications \u2014 how pairing and instructional procedures can be adapted in real-world therapy settings, while still maintaining their effectiveness. Alice talks about data collection strategies for engagement and behavior, including the importance of tracking approach behaviors, avoidance, and other signals of a child\u2019s readiness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Finally, we consider the sustainability of pairing procedures over time and potential directions for future research, including investigating methods of instructional fading and tracking gestural communication development in children with autism.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Resources Mentioned<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/29338313\/\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/29338313\/\">Shillingsburg, et al. (2019)<\/a>. Rapport Building and Instructional Fading Prior to Discrete Trial Instruction: Moving From Child-Led Play to Intensive Teaching<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/link.springer.com\/article\/10.1007\/s10864-019-09340-x\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/link.springer.com\/article\/10.1007\/s10864-019-09340-x\">Cariveau, et al. (2020)<\/a>. A Structured Intervention to Increase Response Allocation to Instructional Settings for Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/psycnet.apa.org\/record\/2014-41963-004\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/psycnet.apa.org\/record\/2014-41963-004\">Shillingsburg, et al. (2014)<\/a>. Increasing social approach and decreasing social avoidance in children with autism spectrum disorder during discrete trial training<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/downloads\/session-313-client-assent-in-behavior-analysis-balancing-autonomy-and-clinical-progress\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/downloads\/session-313-client-assent-in-behavior-analysis-balancing-autonomy-and-clinical-progress\">Session 313<\/a>: Client Assent in Behavior Analysis: Balancing Autonomy and Clinical Progress (Ethics CE available!)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">Alice's first appearance on the BOP: Innovation and Change in ABA: <a href=\"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/be_obs\/innovation-and-change-in-aba-session-154-with-alice-shillingsburg\" type=\"post\" id=\"26593\">Session 154<\/a> with Alice Shillingsburg<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Sponsor Shoutouts<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li class=\"\">The School Behavioral Solutions for Special Educators &amp; Behavior Analysts.&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/behaviorlive.com\/conferences\/Thebxtoolbox\/home\">The Behavior Toolbox Conference<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;is a one-day, high-impact professional convening that brings together experienced practitioners and leaders from across education and behavior science to share what actually works in schools. It\u2019s taking place virtually through BehaviorLive on March 5<sup>th<\/sup>, 2026, and will be available on-demand for those who can\u2019t make it on the day of the event.  <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/get-ceus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">CEUs from Behavioral Observations<\/a>. Learn from your favorite podcast guests while you're commuting, walking the dog, or whatever else you do while listening to podcasts. New events are being added all the time, so check them out&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/behavioralobservations.com\/get-ceus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">here<\/a>.&nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/behaviorlive.com\/conferences\/vbc\/home\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The 2026 Verbal Behavior Conference!<\/a> Taking place March 26\u201327, 2026, in Austin, Texas, or livestream and on-demand on BehaviorLive. Presenters will include Drs. Mark Sundberg, Patrick McGreevy, Caio Miguel, Alice Shillingsburg, Sarah Frampton, Andresa De Souza, and Danielle LaFrance will share how Skinner\u2019s analysis of verbal behavior can guide the assessment and treatment of generative learning challenges in children with autism and other developmental disabilities. And don\u2019t miss the special pre-conference workshop on Wednesday, March 25.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Listen on: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube In this episode, I talk with Dr. Alice Shillingsburg about her work on rapport building and pairing procedures in applied behavior analysis for children with autism. 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